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		<title>Tables vs CSS</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Eric Nemchik</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to an email I recently received, I was asked my opinion about this article: http://www.decloak.com/Dev/CSSTables/CSS_Tables_01.aspx There is a lot to be said about this subject (as seen by searching Google http://www.google.com/search?q=tables+vs+css ). The writer brings up a few valuable points, such as Microsoft&#8217;s incompetence when it comes to making IE8 worth using. Some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to an email I recently received, I was asked my opinion about this article: http://www.decloak.com/Dev/CSSTables/CSS_Tables_01.aspx<span id="more-450"></span></p>
<p>There is a lot to be said about this subject (as seen by searching Google http://www.google.com/search?q=tables+vs+css ).</p>
<p>The writer brings up a few valuable points, such as Microsoft&#8217;s incompetence when it comes to making IE8 worth using.</p>
<p>Some things that made me laugh;<br />
The article refers to Netscape 7 and IE6 as &#8216;new&#8217;.<br />
It mentions IE7 and IE8 (but sounds like they are referring to them in a future tense).</p>
<p>In general this article is basically saying &#8216;if Microsoft doesn&#8217;t conform then neither should web developers&#8217; and specifically states that the W3 standards aren&#8217;t worth our time.</p>
<p>There are a few things to consider on that note;<br />
Microsoft is slowly loosing users to Apple (I hate to admit it).<br />
Internet Explorer sucks, but it is used by many, however that number is also decreasing slowly as FireFox and other browsers chip away at it&#8217;s population.<br />
IE8 began compliance with standards because they realized how terrible they were doing, they still aren&#8217;t perfect, but at least they admit they were wrong and are trying to fix it.</p>
<p>While I will agree that tables have some use (like to make a spreadsheet on a page, or to handle certain scenarios where CSS code would overlap itself to accomplish the same thing) in general tables are a bad thing.</p>
<p>Also, as illustrated by a Google research http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/tables.html tables are most commonly used incorrectly and/or for the wrong reasons.<br />
The author seems to claim that when used for the right reasons tables are better than CSS, which in some [very rare] cases is true.</p>
<p>Another note would be found directly on the W3&#8242;s website (they created HTML, they get to make the rules)</p>
<p>http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#tables</p>
<p>They specifically say, DO NOT USE TABLES FOR LAYOUTS.</p>
<p>I do use tables from time to time. the Integris websites (marketing/hosting) have one table each to keep things organized. but whenever possible, I try to use CSS as it is the recommendation of both the code and browser developers (as a majority), as well as the W3.</p>
<p>These are just my opinions, and the above is (almost) a direct copy of the email response I sent.</p>
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